Pantry Paratus Radio, Episode 023: Interview with Alice Jongerden, Raw Milk in Canada

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Pantry Paratus Radio, Episode 023

 

Interview with Alice Jongerden, Raw Milk in Canada

 

 

We start off the New Year with a straight shooter interview with our neighbor just across the border.  Alice Jongerden will be making the opening remarks at the 2013 Raw Milk Symposium sponsored by the Weston A. Price Foundation held this year in beautiful British Columbia, Canada.  Alice Jongerden is a homeschooling mom who got started in a herdshare in British Columbia and it took off from there.  What was popular attracts attention and the lobbyist, the law and the judiciary eventually made Alice’s fresh milk (raw milk via private membership in the herdshare) illegal.  With all of the popular trends for eating local, fresh milk (raw milk) is still not in the quota system—and is exempt from such trends.  Not to worry, the average person can still buy average milk from the average grocery store and we have kept all that potential public health hazard (aka: fresh milk) safely behind legislative lockdown in Canada.  


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We talk about:

 

 

 

-Alice Jongerden joins us to talk about food sovereignty and fresh milk in British Columbia

 

 

 

-Fresh milk and raw milk—the different variations of the same thing, but “fresh milk” sounds so much better!

 

 

 

-Alice’s bio

 

 

 

-Homeschooling and Homesteading—careful folks, when the bug bites there is no turning back!

 

 

 

-How Alice got involved with fresh milk initially with a simple common sense arrangement between a friend and a cow that abundantly produces milk

 

 

 

-The opportunity for fresh milk for everyone, even “city mice”

 

 

 

-Kind of like “car sharing” which is legal, but when it comes to milk the law gets involved

 

 

 

-In the dairy industry they share bulls, so the sharing of livestock is not a

 

 

 

– “Our definition of ‘responsibly grown or raised’ is: Any product (vegetable, fruit, condiment, beef, lamb, chicken etc) that has been farmed or cultivated in a way that is sustainable and does not involve the use of hormones, antibiotics or other harmful characteristics that are otherwise avoidable by responsible cultivation methods.”

 

 

 

-Emphasis on “Otherwise avoidable” vs. “medicating the problem”

 

 

 

-Where is the opposition to fresh milk coming from?

 

 

 

-Public Health Act says that no one can cause a public health risk, so all fresh milk (raw milk) is a health hazard by statute, ergo all milk must be pasteurized. 

 

 

 

-Where have we seen this before?  CAFO milk from grain fed cows possibly even with hormones and antibiotics are fine—because you can pasteurize it. 

 

 

 

-Not all pasteurized milk is the same, some farmers take exceptionally good care of their cows, but when the milk is pasteurized you lose so much of the nutritive value

 

 

 

-When you look at the statistics, why is milk targeted? 

 

 

 

-In Canada they have strong lobbying efforts from the Marketing Board to put the pressure on to keep all milk pasteurized

 

 

 

-Herdshare is a private contract between people regarding their own private property—there is not distribution of milk to the public

 

 

 

-Section 7 of the Transitional Regulation has been repealed and replaced with a stricter law

 

 

 

-Drinking milk from the teat of the cow is probably okay (may be), but if you put it in a bucket and then drink it or even give it to your child you have distributed it under BC law

 

 

 

-Most dairy farmers drink their own milk (may be)

 

 

 

-How exactly are these laws made? 

 

 

 

-“Agister”—an old English term for someone keeping animals to take care of them

 

 

 

-Alice Jongerden was named in a lawsuit to say that she could not milk her own cows—no, really

 

 

 

-Alice packaged the milk “not for human consumption” and then the owners of the cow were free to use the milk to make soap, feed it to their dog or even wash their dog with it—but not drink it

 

 

 

-If you did not hand over personal property to the rightful owner, is that not theft?

 

 

 

-Cigarettes have labels to warn of the danger, but you do not have to smoke them (or eat them for that matter), but if you sell fresh milk (raw milk) then you are not allowed to make the decision for yourself. 

 

 

 

-To quote Joel Salatin, “Who owns me?”

 

 

 

-Why exactly do we need so many antibiotics in a sterile food system? 

 

 

 

-“We are bacteriosapiens.”  –Alice Jongerden

 

 

 

-Seeing life in a mechanical sense rather than in a biological sense . . .

 

 

 

-Demand is high for raw milk in BC, up to $18.50 per gallon (taxes included)—however more than the demand, the practices are artisanal: glass jars, grass fed cows, each milking is identity preserved to make sure that the batches do not mix

 

 

 

-Farmland is much more expensive in BC

 

 

 

-The average person can still buy average milk in an average grocery store, but Alice’s customers choose to pay more for milk now and less for healthcare later!

 

 

 

-Often people who are milk intolerant do just fine on fresh milk (raw milk) that is not pasteurized

 

 

 

-Not just anecdotal stories, but real people finding themselves much healthier on fresh milk

 

 

 

-Chaya mentions that after she has recovered from very poor health in her life to now being healthy, she refuses to be the anecdote or to be dismissed as “folk medicine” when real foods do heal

 

 

 

-Drawing the lines between laws and just laws; government overreach creates distrust and civil push-back against

 

 

 

-Are law and science on the same side on this one?

 

 

 

-Michael Schmidt, the long struggle he has had with the Canadian government has brought his character and determination to the forefront of the fresh milk (raw milk) narrative

 

 

 

-Have heroes, and know what gives them the drive to do what they do—because you may find yourself needing to be heroic as an unlikely suspect

 

 

 

-Even with the popularity of the “eat local” movement, “100 mile diet,” etc. fresh milk (raw milk) fits all of that, but it does not fall under the quota system so it is outside of the legal protection

 

 

 

-In the Marketing Act, there is a duty to respond to what the consumers want . . . wait for it . . .

 

 

 

-Vote with your dollar!

 

 

 

-Raw Milk Symposium, “Fresh Milk Sysmposium” anyone? 

 

 

 

-April 5th – 6th in (beautiful) Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.  The event is sponsored by Weston A. Price Foundation

 

 

 

-Alice will be making the opening remarks, with other speakers like Sally Fallon Morell, Shawn Buckley, Mark McAfee, Michael Schmidt, Dr. Ted Beals, Dr. Robert Buckingham will be the keynote speaker

 

 

 

-Come for the information or just for the food—you will not be disappointed!

 

 

 

-What is Alice’s favorite flavor of icecream (made with fresh milk of course).

 

 

 

-Wrap up

 

 

 

 

 

Links:

 

HomeOnTheRangeFarms.com

 

2013 Raw Milk Symposium

 

Register Here for the Raw Milk Symposium

 

Our Podcast interview with Joel Salatin

 

Why Grass Fed?

 

Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF)

 

Our Podcast with Natasha Simeon—Raw Milk situation in Minnesota

 

Our Podcast with Ann Marie Michaels from Cheeseslave.com

 

Our Podcast with Kimberly Hartke—publicist for the Weston A. Price Foundation

 

 

 

 

 

Proviso:

 

Nothing in this blog constitutes medical advice.  You should consult your own physician before making any dietary changes.  Statements in this blog may or may not be congruent with current USDA or FDA guidance.





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